Wk 6: Zines & Flip Books!

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Schedule

Need Help?

  1. Ask online
  2. Come to before class OH on Wed 11:30-12:30 @Robek’s / Coffee Bean umbrella tables
  3. I can go to AS-120 (AS building is next to The Beach Hut, next to The Library) after class on Wed, at 3:45 and help anyone with anything.
  4. Make an appointment to meetup another time

Points on BeachBored

All points through Week 5 are now up on BeachBored. Be sure to check your points and know where you stand! So far we’ve had 265 points possible. Here’s how many points you should have to be on track for each grade level, and how many peeps in 1p / 2:30 are currently at each grade level:

A = 239 points – 54 / 47
B = 212 points – 6 / 4
C = 186 points – 2 / 4
D = 159 points – 0 / 1
F = 158 points – 3 / 6

  • 1p GPA = 3.66
  • 2:30 GPA = 3.39

Leaderboard

Top 5 @1pm:

  1. Stephanie Arciva, 338
  2. Hannah Adams, 324
  3. Maritess Anne Inieto, 320
  4. Carlos Villicana, 306
  5. Janis Vernier, 299

Top 5 @2:30:

  1. Lydia Chang, 381
  2. Nathan Davalos, 353
  3. Jamie Van, 340
  4. Yesenia Hernandez, 339
  5. Adriana Maciel, 317

Wk 6: Zines & Flip Books

Beautiful work on last week’s Graffiti Writing activity. Scroll down for cool samples!

This week we’re on to Zines & Flip Books. Actually Zines OR Flip Books, you only have to pick one! 😀

Blame Lydia

College is about pressure. Am I right? So many hoops to jump through. Expectations to live up to. Exams to stress over. New things to fail at. Who needs it!?

So there you are, minding your own business, making awesome “ID Cards” with illustrations on one side and stream-of-consciousness narratives on the other. Do you think that some nutty professor will like them so much that he decides the whole class should now start making zines? No, you don’t. Then when the nutty professor does decide that everybody has to make zines just because your ID Cards are cool, who should we blame? Obviously, the nutty professor. Oh, but there’s just one catch: why blame him, when you can blame Lydia!

(or, you know, hopefully you’ll have a lot of fun and then you can thank Lydia!)

some zines from Tiny Splendor Press that I bought at Small World Books
some zines from Tiny Splendor Press that I bought at Small World Books

Full Details on the Zines & Flip Books page:

We’re going to split the classes in 1/2 this week, the first half of the roster will meet upstairs in our FA4-311 classroom for the first half of the class, and the 2nd half of the roster will be downstairs at the galleries. Then in the 2nd 1/2 hour we’ll switch.

Down at the galleries you’ll have another great Artist Conversation!

Up in the classroom I’ll help you make Zines and Flip Books. I’ll bring needles and thread so you can sew your books. It’s pretty easy to do – don’t worry! 😀

Wednesday Schedule

Upstairs 1-1:30 & @Galleries 1:30-2p

  1. Abigail Manuel
  2. Adrian Munoz
  3. Aleah Lomeli
  4. Alex Miramontes
  5. Ali Garawi
  6. Allison Cruz
  7. Amanda Martinez
  8. Amy Song
  9. Ana Maya
  10. Andrew Nguyen
  11. Andy Bui
  12. Araceli Lozano
  13. Brian Sath
  14. Briana Garcia
  15. Bryan Aparicio
  16. Carlos Villicana
  17. Christian Gallo
  18. Christopher Yuen
  19. Cindy Le
  20. Damonte Ford
  21. Daniel Puentes ?
  22. Daniel Schmitz
  23. Daniel Velazquez
  24. Demi Kong
  25. Esmeray Lopez
  26. Evan Burton
  27. Hannah Adams
  28. Jacqueline Sanchez
  29. Janis VernierPortfolio Site
  30. Jasmine Figueroa
  31. Jennifer Mendoza ?
  32. John Savage

@Galleries 1-1:30 & Upstairs 1:30-2p

  1. Jonathan Girgis
  2. Joy Uba
  3. Juan Vasquez
  4. Kaya Quarles
  5. Kayla Tafoya-Sablan
  6. Laura Lockett
  7. Linda-Linh Nguyen
  8. Lukas Fuentes
  9. Marcelo Ceballos Jr.
  10. Maritess Inieto
  11. Marlene Rodriguez
  12. Marysol Jimenez
  13. Melissa Rios
  14. Monica Lock
  15. Monique Alcala
  16. Natalie Santana
  17. Nhi Truong
  18. Nickolas Lemmerman
  19. Patricia Avendano
  20. Raylyn Diep
  21. Rei Joseph Cayabyab
  22. Roxana Chavez
  23. Samuel De La Cruz
  24. Selena Lara
  25. Shalane Holm
  26. Stephanie Arciva
  27. Stephen de Villa
  28. Tina Nguyen
  29. Tina Tran
  30. Tommy Duong
  31. Vincent Santos
  32. Yonathan Sahle
  33. Yuliana Torres

Upstairs 2:30-3p & @Galleries 3p – 3:30

  1. Adriana Maciel
  2. Alfredo Gonzalez
  3. Alfredo Reyes
  4. Alyssa Bui
  5. Amy Becerra
  6. Amy Pham
  7. Ana Gomez
  8. Arvan Arguelles
  9. Belen Barragan
  10. Brandon Hong
  11. Bunny Horn
  12. Claudia Sanchez
  13. Daniel Martinez
  14. Darryl Nguyen
  15. David Lai
  16. Emily Tomasello
  17. Erika Perez
  18. Faisal Alotaibi
  19. Fatima Negrete-Farias
  20. Felix Huynh
  21. Gabriel Gonzalez
  22. Giancarlo Vento
  23. Gustavo Portillo
  24. Hailei Reyes
  25. Henry Pham
  26. Jacqueline Nguyen ?
  27. Jamie Van
  28. Janett Moctezuma
  29. Jazmin Mejia
  30. Jessica ObriquePortfolio Site
  31. Jillian Ayala

@Galleries 2:30-3p & Upstairs 3p – 3:30

  1. Jose Perez
  2. Juli Yoshinaga
  3. Justin Pena
  4. Justin Pham
  5. Leslie Meza
  6. Linney Sar
  7. Lizzy Stiller
  8. Lourdes Sandoval
  9. Lydia Chang
  10. Maria Leon
  11. Marissa Sar
  12. Mark Nguyen
  13. Megan Chung
  14. Megan Salinas
  15. Melissa Passarelli
  16. Nathan Davalos
  17. Nkechi Okoroma
  18. Noe Sandoval
  19. Pamela Ajoste
  20. Pichantha Malina Im
  21. Raul Silva-Pizano
  22. Reyna Real
  23. Ruiwen Lin
  24. Samantha Gomez
  25. Savannah Avalos
  26. Stephanie Valdivia
  27. Tiffany Phan
  28. Timothy Chung ?
  29. Valeria Gonzalez
  30. Yesenia Hernandez
  31. Zack Ngov

Graffiti Writing

It was great seeing some of you at the Venice Art Walls on Saturday! And lots of awesome work from peeps who painted at home or other places:

Amanda Martinez and her dog Tofu in front of the name "Amanda" painted in bubble letters on a large sheet of cardboard
Tofu ‘n Amanda – takin back the street

Growing up on the streets was always tough, living in the shadows of other well-known artists. Today I decided to make a name for myself and my girl Tofu. We wanted to start small in an alley trying to figure out how to blend in so we don’t get caught. We want people to know who we are, however we don’t want to get stuck behind bars. That’s why Tofu was on the lookout for anyone suspicious walking by as my viscous guard dog while I was tagging up the wall. She paced back and forth as I was marking our territory for everyone to see. No one thought we would make it here, but we will show them we have every right.

A small brawl broke out at the opening of the alley between two other well-known graffiti artists Daniel and Marcelo. Afraid that they would find out it was us who was on their turf marking up their spot, Tofu and I snapped a few pics and snuck on by unscathed. We are hoping to get out name in a few more alleys this next week so hopefully it goes smoothly. Tofu is almost ready to put her name out there for the world to see but her fur makes her too noticeable so we are working on some sort of dark attire for her to wear when it is not as hot outside. There will be updates about Tofu’s costume soon!

Amanda Martinez

the name "Daniel" in blue spray paint with a black outline and against a background of yellow and green on a large sheet of cardboard
Daniel Schmitz

Spraying a nice, thick, even coat of paint on a metal object turned out to be surprisingly different from writing my name on cardboard with the same paint. I ended up doing this activity with a few friends from the same class, and ended up sharing our paint colors.

Daniel Schmitz

3 large sheets of cardboard with the spray painted names "Amanda, Marcelo, Daniel"

Esmeray Lopez standing over a low wall where her name is painted in bubble letters at Sunken City in San Pedro, CA
Esmeray Lopez

This was something I always wanted to do but never really got around to doing it and I’m glad we got to do it for class. I was going to go to Venice but I ended up finding a cool place in San Pedro called Sunken City. Pretty cool place with lots of rocks over the ocean with lots of graffiti writing so I figured why not make myself part of it! I had so much fun writing my name that my inner chola came out when it came down to taking my picture hahaha. My favorite art experience so far.

Esmeray Lopez

Hannah Adams standing in front of a large sheet of plywood with her name written on it in spray paint and with a dragon head trying to eat the beginning "H"
Hannah Adams

Graffiti writing was a project I never expected to take so much interest in. I thought the simple act of writing my name in a unique way would hardly interest me artistically. I’ve never used spray paint, or practiced the art of graffiti writing, so I didn’t know that I was really going to enjoy it. The scale of the art work I deal with is measured in centimeters. I use pens with a width no more than 0.25 mm. I have always prided myself on the detail of my pieces, so this project was quite a change for me. But I found it was exhilarating to work on a piece so much larger and rougher than my standard works. I could put my whole body into this picture, instead of just the smallest muscles of my hand. I had to make my piece unique, though. So I included a simple dragon head and wing around my piece to frame it. I hope I get the opportunity to do art on a large scale again since this project was so successful.

Hannah Adams

Janis Vernier holding the words "Fresh Janis" painted in Green on Pink on a long narrow board
Janis Vernier

I was blessed to have the wonderful complementary colors “Shocking Pink” and “Acid Green” in my Artbucket. That’s why I decided to go Fresh Prince of Bel-Air-Style and I made a Logo to match with the typo of this 90s series, that I really loved as a teenager. B-)

Janis Vernier

Linda-Linh Nguyen in front of her name on a wall at the Venice Beach, CA Art Walls
Linda-Linh Nguyen

Never in my life did I imagine myself going out to graffiti a wall. Albeit, it was legal to do but still, if anyone told small and younger past me that I’d one day go out to graffiti a wall in Venice there’s a 10/10 chance that I would’ve laughed and disagreed (because I’m a total goody goody). Yet, here I am pictured next to my first (and probably not last) graffiti piece at the Venice Art Walls. The experience was daunting at first as I examined all the wonderful works done by people with just cans of spray paint–I didn’t think I could do anything that was worthy to be on the same wall as theirs but I gave it a shot anyway and had a blast! After finishing my graffiti work, I explored Venice Beach a little and one of my stops was Small World Books which is where I found a book on Donald Trump that gave me a good laugh. Small World Books was such a cute and comfy place with its own residential cat! Venice Beach is one of the most lively and diverse places I’ve been too and I’ll definitely be coming back in the near future!

Linda-Linh Nguyen

Roxana Chavez holding a piece of plywood with her name spray painted in bubble letters and polka-dots
Roxana Chavez

Seeing graffiti writing on walls looks really easy to make, however when its the other way around it can be a little difficult to do… I used a long piece of wood that my dad had just sitting around in the back yard… Back when I was in middle school I used to be a pro at bubble letters and block letters… Thanks to YouTube I was able to refresh my skills… After I finished I added some polkadots around my name… I am pleased with my writing but I have to say Graffiti writing is not as easy as it looks. I have to to admit I never took much consideration as to how graffiti writing is created and I can now say it is very precise.

Roxana Chavez

wide landscape shot of Sunken City on the California Coast
Sunken City, San Pedro, CA / Adriana Maciel
graffiti writing painting of a very detailed human eye on a piece of concrete rubble on the ground at Sunken City, San Pedro, CA
Sunken City, San Pedro, CA / Adriana Maciel

I asked my brother to go with me to Sunken City… Sunken City is a place where kids go to drink, smoke, and paint. It is a really beautiful place because it is the result of a landslide that happened a really long time ago where PCH broke off and the concrete keeps sinking each year. It overlooks the water and it is a really nice view of the city of San Pedro. I’ve gone there with my friends previously but I had never painted and I was intimidated because honestly, there are some really really nice paintings on the rocks there.

My brother and I got there and there were a lot of people their hanging out with their friends and there were even people there having photoshoots which was cool. We wandered a little, but I was FREAKING out because of course I would bring sandals to the most rockiest and uneven place on Earth………..but anyways, it took me a while to find a rock with no writing on it ( I didn’t want to destroy someone else’s art with mine) and I think it turned out pretty cool! I should have experimented with the spray caps though because I found the wide one towards the end! Graffiti writing was pretty easy and I feel like it gave me an adrenaline rush because I just wanted to do more and more art while I was there.

Adriana Maciel

the name "dreeezy" in spray paint
Adriana Maciel
two cans of Montana Gold spray paint, in the colors"Black Magic" and "Vampirella"
Claudia Sanchez
a sketch on brown craft paper of Claudia Sanchez' name "Claudia" in bubble letters
Claudia Sanchez

This was so much fun! I had been having a super stressful day and I purposely saved this activity for last just in case I needed it to relieve some weekend buildup. And it worked! First of all I LOVED my spray paint names “Blue Magic” & “Vampirella”. That last one gives me the burgundy, fall, deep passion, color that is perfect for fall season fashion. Right ladies??? LOVE IT! I first started off with a quick sketch of my name, but to be honest I wanted to freehand the big piece. Then I just kind of went for it. The tips worked very well, except for 2 that i could simply NOT get to work. Different tips allowed for slightly different styles. I added simple details to each letter and just simply went for it. I had a blast doing this, it really did make me want to find a random wall and just go crazy with doodles. I know its weird but I also love the rattle sound the can makes when you shake it. Its like an anticipation builder. I had some music by The Smiths playing in the background and had my doggies as company, although i had to shoo them away a few times because i was afraid of the paint fumes. But overall this was a fun, awesome activity. I feel like now I understand why some people just LOVE THIS! this can be very addicting.

Claudia Sanchez

"Claudia" in spray paint
Claudia Sanchez
Janett Moctezuma in front of one of the Art Walls at Venice Beach, CA, where the words Cochi and Janett are painted in yellow and black spray paint
Janett Moctezuma

This week I had the opportunity of doing this awesome graffiti writing activity at Venice Beach. I brought my boyfriend along and we met up with classmates and Professor Zucman from Art110. At first I didn’t know where to start because I felt bad painting over someone else’s work. Also, this was my first time doing graffiti writing so I didn’t know how to start. My boyfriend started painting the face of a pig and then as I got comfortable I began to work on my piece. I did my name with yellow and black spray paint. I first began writing my name in black and then I outlined it with the yellow spray paint, giving it a bubble style. I was quiet surprised on how my piece came out because it looked pretty cool given that it was my first time doing this. I felt even better when two of my classmates said they liked the work my boyfriend and I had done. Overall, I really enjoyed doing this fun activity and now my boyfriend and I are planning on going to the Venice Art Walls again next week to do more graffiti writing.

Janett Moctezuma

Janett Moctezuma standing in front of many zines and other small, local publications at Small World Books on the boardwalk at Venice Beach, CA
Janett Moctezuma / Zine rack @ Small World Books
Jessica Obrique sitting in front of "Jess Monkey" which consists of her name "Jess" in red letters with black and gold outlines, and under the letters a sort of monkey mouth that uses the "es" from Jess as its face. Venice Legal Art Walls, Venice Beach, CA
Jessica Obrique

This week’s activity included me, graffiti cans, and the Venice Art Walls! I carpooled with my friend Yesenia to Venice Beach and it was such a beautiful place. Everything was so lively! We walked across the sand and down to the walls and I was blown away. There was so much color and so much art, I absolutely loved it. Getting started was a little intimidating, but once I formed my first letter it became so addicting. I spelled out “Jess” although it’s not completely legible haha. I decided to continue off my name and turn it into a monkey king. I’m actually kinda proud of how it turned out. I named it “Jess Monkey”. I’ve got to say all of these activities have been so much fun, but this one really takes the cake. On a scale of 1 to 10, I’d give it a 10. I would definitely do it again!

Jessica Obrique

Nathan Davalos in front of "Nate" painted in yellow and purple on the Venice Art Walls
Nathan Davalos

I love the fact that any artist can go down to the beach to express what they love without being chased by the police. When looking for a spot to write my name on the walls, I was a little nervous because I had never experienced using spray cans and I did not want to cover/ruin any of the beautiful art that was already on the walls. I finally found a spot on the cone that I would hardly cover up someone else’s art. As you can see in the above pictures, I did not write out my full name, Nathan, because I was having trouble writing my “H” in bubble letters. After finishing my name, I felt more comfortable and wanted to do more than just my name. I found some other spots on the walls where I could do more graffiti writing. After that, my girlfriend wanted to give it a shot. She painted some flowers that came out beautiful.

After the both of us used up most of the paint in our cans, we decided to go watch some of the skateboarding that was going on in the skate park. We were mostly focusing in on Isaiah, one of the best skaters at the park. Everyone in Venice is so passionate about what they do. We then headed to Small World Books to check out all the awesome zines.

When we finished looking at the zines, we walked down the strip and we spotted a big crowd surrounding a huge group of guys that were dancing. It was there where we realized that the skateboarder, Isaiah, was also one of the dancers in the performance. The street performers put on a great show. When that was over, we walked over to the LA Louvre Gallery for a little bit. After hours of being out in the sun, we began to feel tired and worn out, so we decided to call it a day and returned home. My first trip to Venice Beach was so enjoyable and entertaining. I really like the vibe in Venice because it is just so lively and everyone is so full of energy. I will definitely make a trip back soon!

Nathan Davalos

hands holding several zines at the zine rack at Small World Books in Venice, CA
Nathan Davalos / Small World Books
Nathan Davalos inside the LA Louvre Gallery
Nathan Davalos / LA Louvre Gallery / David Hockney, Yosemite Suite, iPad drawings printed on paper
Raul Silva painting the name "Raul" in orange letters on a stone at Sunken City, San Pedro, CA
Raul Silva

What dictated the actual slab I would use was the shade of a palm tree. It was too hot to be in the sun while doing work. Having only painted on clean, mostly smooth surfaces, I did not take into consideration that the dust and texture of the concrete slab would absorb the paint like sponges. I realized how much paint is needed to do graffiti so now I see these huge graffiti murals and can’t even imagine the quantity of spray cans that they use.

Most of my time for school is dedicated to mathematics and my thoughts are most clear when I have a large white board in front of me. The same thing happened here: there was a sense of freedom to be able to make a section of the environment a part of you. Of course I couldn’t help but solve a math problem on one of the slabs with spray paint. It was not photographed because it was not the most neat work.

My long time friend Laritza joined me doing some work of her own switching up the colors with a green body orange outline and picking a more square font. She enjoyed the process and having never been to the location she was in awe because of the beautiful work and scenery.

We then spent time browsing and climbing the art work as this kind of work is one of the few where its displays are so interactive and can be touched, climbed and altered freely. She was surprised that this was a school assignment. We both never imagined something school related could be this much fun.

Raul Silva

wide shot looking down on the rubble and the ocean at Sunken City, San Pedro, CA
Raul Silva
Raul's friend Laritza sanding high atop a large rock and rubble tower with lots of graffiti on it at Sunken City, San Pedro, CA
Raul Silva
Ruiwen Lin in front of a stencil painted Pikachu at the Venice Art Walls
Ruiwen Lin

By the way, there were so many PokeStops and unusual Pokemon to catch!

Ruiwen Lin

Savannah Avalos with a bandanna over her mouth to block paint fumes, works on a spray painting of her name "Savannah" in pink letters on a purple board
Savannah Avalos

Luckily, pink was one of the colors I got in my art kit. It’s my favorite color and I don’t see how I could have possibly done this project if I wasn’t working with my favorite color. It’s, like, a big deal, or something.

I didn’t know where to start, so I figured I’d paint the whole board blue to get myself a background.
After the first squirt of paint hit the board, I realized that the beach would have been a MUCH better place to do this. There wasn’t much of a breeze, so the smell was strong. I looked at my boyfriend with puppy dog eyes, looking for sympathy.”Do I have to do this?”

I still didn’t know what to do, so I just dove right into spelling my name. Then realized that I REALLY had no idea what I was doing. I tried out the different can tips on the back of the board to familiarize myself with them, but I was still lost. The S came out blurry, and I made it too big. Once I got the rest of my letters on the board, I decided flowers would be a good idea. Even better, I wanted to make them purple, so I tried to mix the pink and blue to create something new out of what I have, which is artistic, right?

I couldn’t get purple. As you can see, I got frustrated. Under that concentrated amount of blue paint was a flower, a very ugly morphed flower. The paint from my name was starting to drip because I’ve never worked with spray paint before, but I liked the way it looked, so I went with it. And, of course, turned the S into a dollar sign because, why not?

I’m actually happy with my final product. If Chris wouldn’t mind me taking over our room with my girly things, I’d put it on the wall. But for now, it’s probably going to sit on the patio until the weather ruins it.

Savannah Avalos

Yesenia & Jessica in front of their names, "Yessi" and "Jess" on the art walls at Venice Beach, CA
Yesenia Hernandez & Jessica Obrique

Yessi the tagger.

I love graffiti. It is an underappreciated and misunderstood form of art. I was excited about this week’s art activity. I had a friend take this class 4 years ago and she invited me along when she had to do this activity. I went along with her and even painted. I always said I would take this class just to do this activity and here I am. Coincidentally, just this week I had the picture of me and my friend doing this activity pop up on Facebook saying “hey you posted this 4 years ago”. I thought that was great timing.

I went to Venice Beach with sister and friend. Venice is such a cool and weird place. The culture here is different but in a good way. After creating some art and having some good iced tea – Thanks Professor Zucman! – we decided to walk and check Venice Beach out. We did not walk far before we were attracted by some street performers, the cool group of 10 or so guys who dance and do cool B-Boy tricks. The show was about an hour. The sun burned our backs and I got a tan but we watched the entire performance. They were hilarious!

I had other commitments so we had to leave. However, we all agreed we had to come back to graffiti on the walls and hang in Venice Beach.

Yesenia Hernandez

Art Talk OTW

  1. 3 Million Years of Art History
  2. Joseph DeLappe
  3. Mahsa Soroudi
  4. The Mind in the Cave
  5. Graffiti Writing: Bomb It
  6. Classical Greece & Rome

This week we’re back on our Art History timeline. Let’s look at Classical Art! As you might already know, Classical art and culture from Greece and Rome still has a huge influence on us today. For Western Culture, Classical Greece & Rome have defined so much:

Classical Greece

Classical Rome

Bonus Videos! 😀

You want more, right!? In the Classical Rome video I talk about the Typeface or Font, “Trajan”. I mention that it’s been used for a lot of movie posters. Here’s the video:

And as long as “we” (or “I” anyway) are geeking out on fonts…

The type foundry House Industries in Delaware created a font called Neutraface, inspired by legendary Austrian-American architect Richard Neutra. He spent the majority of his life living and building in Southern California. Jason Kinney and some of his graphic design friends in Portland loved Neutraface so much that they made this video celebrating it:

118 Comments

  1. Stephanie Arciva
    What I found most resonating with the video is the contrasting implications of between science and classical art. In the classical Greece video, Glenn mentions how we have always seen these highlights of classical art, whether it be to embrace it or reject it. I felt that there were inspirations of art from these events in history, but science works in a different manner. In science, our community works to find more efficient ways or works to better understand processes. I feel that science learns from its history, scientists learn from their mistakes to contribute to future projects. In the art world, I feel that there are no mistakes. I feel that an action leads to inspiration for something else but does not try to explain why one technique is more efficient or descriptive over another. In science there is a definitive distinction to why one technique is better over the other and that’s what we see in this technological race. In art this definition is blurred and there is no developing the next best sculpture or painting because that’s all relative to the changing culture of a society. I felt this video was “food for thoughts” because I never paid attention to the behaviors across various disciplines, including science and art. It made me realize the significant influential aspect art has and how it compares to the influence in a science community.

    1. I agree with you Stephanie. It is very difficult to compare art and science. Science is about perfection and making the next best thing. In science you can not make mistakes. When in art there are no mistakes. There is no way to judge what is the best, because art is subjective. To me that is the beauty about art that you can say or create whatever you want as long as you are expressing yourself. The two crafts inspire each other. Art and Science are completely different, but they are both very important and passionate crafts.

      Daniel Puentes

      1. Hi Daniel, I agree with what you said about comparing art and science difficult. I feel like these two subjects are way far apart from each other that it would be hard to find similarity with them. Creating art is an outlet where artists can freely express their opinions without worrying that they can be wrong. There is no standard when making art, as long as you are putting all of your effort on it and be passionate when creating it.

    2. In response to Stephanie Arciva’s comment, I also found it interesting how he compared ancient art to science. Science is based on discovering the “truth,” which uses observation and experiments to discover “answers.” Science is objective based while art is subjective. As you mentioned in your comment art does not have right or wrong answers, and this is important to consider when analyzing art pieces from ancient times. As Zucman mentioned we often view progression from art to be primitive to reality, but its important to realize that the “ultimate goal’ of art isn’t about being abstract or realistic, it could be either or. And that is the important difference between science and art, art is not confined to specific rules or guidelines.

    3. Brian Sath

      Hey Stephanie! I totally agree that the video is comparing and contrasting science and classical art. Coming from a science background, I do agree that there are many differences between artists and scientists. Science is where we take previous information and expand and work to improve the process or the equipment that is necessary to improve man-kind. It is as Glenn stated within the video. Along with that, I do agree that the classical art that was portrayed over 2000 years ago plays a huge role within our art work nowadays. I feel like scientists do learn from the history and those before them, while artists take what was in the past and add a spice or a unique blend to their artwork. Artwork may be primitive, classical, or abstract. I believe that this is the true beauty of artwork because it is within the eye of the beholder. Art is always expressed in so many ways, and it has the power to inspire so many individuals. Although the effect may not be measurable like within science, I do believe that artists and scientists have a lot of similarities.

    4. Amanda Martinez

      Hi Stephanie! I understand how you are not seeing the comparison between science and art. However, I think Glenn is more referring to being inspired by the past and learning from what they did. Science is definitely more exact, but I still think artist still learn from each other even if there are no mistakes when making art. I also think a part of the reason why he mention that was maybe in terms of architecture and the sturdiness of buildings made back then since they are still standing today.

    5. hey Stephanie, yea i definitely do agree with you, its quite clear how this video is comparing science and art. I think its interesting to see how this video almost implies since and art go hand in hand, almost as though art is what records science and its discoveries. Science is definitely in my opinion more surreal and abstract just because its an exact science, so what looks like could be art, can actually be explained to the T scientifically and there for isn’t art anymore. Also how art and science almost cant exist without each other, when he was mentioning the buildings, buildings will fall without science, and buildings are art, hence.

    6. Hi Stephanie, This video is clearly completly science and art. In my opinion it is art and science are two completely different things. I do not think science can be compared to art because art has no real way of being made. Art is creativity while science is more proving and following the correct way to finish a certain theory. But i do agree that many things made by science can become art and have a meaning behind it.

    7. Stephanie,
      I completely agree with your thought that there cannot be a definitive distinction between techniques that can be called better or worse than others. Though I personally agree with this, I feel like I find that a lot of people would beg to differ, saying that some artists definitely do have better techniques than others. Although this may just have to do with different people’s preferences when it comes to art and what they personally find aesthetically pleasing. I think science is something that is always going to be very objective, very definitive, and while we are discovering new things everyday, the things that we do discover are very much permanent and unchanging. On the other hand, the idea of art is that the images that we see are in fact subjective, and different people may have different interpretations and conceptions of what the art may mean.

  2. The point about the fact that does art not grow off of each other like science is very true. Science builds off of each other, technologies building off of each other. Science is also always after the next best. Yea science does look back at certain inventions or findings with awe but science will always focus on the newest invention. Art on the other is different because art does not necessarily need to grow off of each other. What we consider amazing art today did not need to grow off of every piece of art from the past or need to at all. People also also appreciate art art from different times, for example people like music from different times some like 80’s some like modern. My favorite art from the video has to be the beautiful architectural work that the Romans and Greeks built. I also appreciate seeing modern day architecture inspired by classical art. The villa is really nice and now i want to go see the Getty villa.

    1. Daniel,
      I also found it interesting to hear about the distinctions between how science and art grow. I can’t say I ever really saw the difference before. What I love about art is that there is no end goal. No one will ever be able to say “I’ve done it! I’ve made the greatest piece of art to have ever been created!” because the interpretation of art is so subjective. What I find beauty in is precise detail and realism. But many find spare modern art more to their taste, and I certainly don’t want to discredit other art forms simply because they are not my favorite. I just think it was an important point to make that art is not really improving, only increasing in media and changing in subject matter to suit the times. Science is different because it is literally driven by improving on or disproving discoveries made before you. Though Zucman mentioned that it is also about asking questions and discovering completely new things, it is still heavily based on improvement. I don’t know which I can say I am more comfortable with. Is it better to grow, or is it better to adapt?
      -Hannah Adams

    2. I agree with you!
      You can’t really say that one art is better than another because it is “modernized”. Art is very relative to the time period and culture that it was created it. in technology, it is not difficult to judge which model is “better” but art is very subjective. I believe that art can be recreated but not “made better”

  3. I was intrigued by the Kouros (600-590 bce) statue and so did a little research on it. It reminded me quite a bit of ancient Babylonian statues, but without a beard. What I found was that the Kouros statue was actually many statues in the same style all over early Greece. Many sources believe that the earlier statues were originally influenced by Egyptian art, because of the rigid symmetry. Though later styles reflect much more independence. Professor Zucman was saying that the Greek and Roman periods were what nearly all modern societies and many art movements are based off of, whether intentional or not. But Greece and Rome didn’t just spring from the ground, and they certainly aren’t the oldest societies to exist. They had to come from other groups and influences. So this makes me think how much was truly their own ideas and how much came from other sources. It would be interesting to see whose society we may actually more fully reflect, if we were able to see into the past more clearly.
    -Hannah Adams

    1. Stephanie Arciva
      Hi Hannah! In addition to your point that art reflects decades upon eras of society, I agree that it would be interesting to see previous times that have had such influential aspects! I would like to see what inspired those pieces of art. I find it intriguing how Glenn pointed out that even though there were different times reflected in art, you could replace a piece in a different time. Art from different ages had similar ideas but conveyed them in a different perspective, neither invalidating either piece. I feel the larger implication reveals that the age of art does not necessarily make one piece better than another, but demonstrates a different style from influence. We should take this into consideration when appreciating various forms of arts!

  4. This week we are discussing the Art History Timeline once again, specifically we are talking about Classical art from Rome and Greece. My favorite part of the discussion was when Zucman compared the classical art pieces Kritos Boy and Kouros Youth. He mentions how we tend to notice the “progression” between the two pieces as primitive to realistic. However, I like how he questions the view of progression, and how we could “invert” the narrative. When he began discussing about the “ultimate goal” of art it reminded me of our first discussion, when we were attempting to define art. The “ultimate goal” shouldn’t be viewed as something that is realistic or abstract, the end goal could be whatever the artist wants it to be. I believe this is important to consider when examining art pieces that are from ancient times. I find it to be interesting that Ancient Greece has such a strong influence on western society. We have adopted a lot from Ancient Greece’s culture from their philosophical thinking to their architecture. It is astonishing how prevalent Greece’s culture is today. As for classical Rome I was fascinated by the Trajan’s Column because it has many elements relating to architecture and typography. Overall, I find it fascinated how a civilization from hundreds and hundreds of years ago strong influences western society today.

    1. Hi Alex,
      I agree with you in that the ‘ultimate goal’ should be whatever the artist wants it to be. I find art to be something that is not rigid, and not so black and white all of the time, and an artists work shouldn’t be defined just as realistic or abstract. Furthermore, I also liked how you bought up the influence that Ancient Greek and Rome have on our society today in that we have adopted many of their ways of thinking. We can still see the influence they have on us in today’s architecture. Like you, I also found it amazing how their ideologies can still have such a big impact on our society today even after all these centuries.
      -Tina Nguyen

  5. Greece and Rome are the heart of classical art and have influenced the way we think and act for many centuries. Their influence can be seen in architecture around the U.S., such as the Supreme Court building in DC. Not only do the Greeks and Romans inspire our buildings but the Romans also inspired typography. One of the most popular fonts for movie posters is the Trajan font which originated from the Romans. Trajan has been used in many great movie posters such as Thor and Avatar. One of the many fascinating things that really resonated with me after watching the two discussion videos was the similarity between science and art. As a scientist myself, I always saw science and art on opposite sides of a rainbow because science is data driven while art is emotion driven. However, after watching the videos, I realized that artists and scientists might be more alike than different. This year, i was lucky enough to be able to join a research lab, and my advisor is always pushing people in the lab to go to conferences, write their abstracts and to present their findings. It got me thinking about how researchers in the science field go out to conferences to share the data they collected and to talk about their research similar to a way that an artist would have their art work displayed in a gallery and talk to people about it. Furthermore, science and art could also work very well together, in that scientists need to use art to be able to be creative and design new devices for the greater good.
    -Tina Nguyen

    1. I agree with you because I have always approached many things from a scientific view rather than art perspective. I am currently studying civil engineering and although most of my courses are calculus and physics based, I know once I enter the workforce I will be expected to also have an art/design perspective due to the emphasis that is expected in structural engineers. I actually chose my major because I did not think I would have to use any form of art because of the stereotypical heavy math based courses but after some deep thought I realized that art is very important to the field. We actually use many drafting and design courses to improve our AutoCAD skills. The drafting program allows us to design our highways, bridges, and buildings. AutoCAD integrates art and math together because you must use your basic geometric knowledge and art skills to create the best drawing of your project.

    2. Hello Tina! As I always seem to notice a lot of what resonates to you resonates to me! It’s definitely interesting how something from years ago influences our contemporary world. But then again with things like fashion which is also a form of art, we always see come backs whether it be a type of shoe or what’s very popular today chokers. It’s interesting how you see scientific research as an art. I wonder if Healthcare Administration can also be seen as an art with all the concepts we have to apply. But maybe you know, cause as administers we always have to come up with new creative ways to get people to join insurance programs or simply find ways for organizations to provide better care to patients at a lower cost.

  6. What I found most interesting was the comparison of art and science. Typically, those two subject matters are seen on two different sides of the spectrum with art being subjective and dependent on interpretation and science being objective and dependent on proven facts. While there may be different answers in art, theres only one answer in science (the scientifically proven one). But despite these differences, both art and science have a daunting and uncomfortable affect on some people, causing controversy. With art, an artist can capture and emphasize the repercussions of certain social issues such a global warming and with science, scientists can clearly explain what causes global warming and predict its after affects. Both of these are uncomfortable for some as it reminds them of the “true” cost of their lifestyles and kind of bursts their bubble which ends up causing controversy as some refuse to believe and wish to remain in their bubble.

  7. Monique Alcala

    Although we have been in this course for a little over a month I’m still a bit narrow minded towards what art can be so when Professor Zucman touched on Greek Architecture, I realized that architecture is a form of art due to being able to express yourself and a certain style through a design of a structure. The comparison between the U.S. Supreme Court building and the Pantheon in Rome was shocking because I never paid much attention to how similar both buildings were. After doing some research on the architecture of the U.S. Supreme Court building I discovered that the architectural style of the building is Neoclassical which just means a modern style of classical. There are sixteen Corinthian style columns. The architect who was in charge of designing the building, Cass Gilbert, stated that he used the Corinthian styled columns because of the elegance that the style implies and he wanted it to match the glamour of the surrounding structures. At first glance I thought that the architects would not be influenced by Roman architecture but it is impressive to see how classic arts are always in style.

    1. Amy Song

      Hi Monique! I agree with you that architecture can be a form of art! I remember seeing pictures of really abstract architecture and I think they are really amazing. I think architecture is not only artistic, but it also has some elements of science. When an architect designs a building, they have to take into consideration the internal structures of the building as well. If the building is abstract and elaborate on the outside but the internal structure cannot support the intricate design, then the building cannot stand. I think architecture is a great example of how art and science come together!

    2. Yuliana Torres

      Hey Monique!
      I also didn’t pay much attention to the architectural buildings before until I finished watching the history timeline of classical Greece. Its astonishing and a bit of ease to find that many architectural artists are still influenced with the classical ancient buildings from many eras ago. I also agree with Amy Song on the bases of architecture relying on science. Science is all about finding new ideas to create something more efficient. So when we build a building, it is extremely important to find the best way to make it, which is were science comes in.

    3. Araceli Lozano

      Hi Monique,
      Yeah the architectural part of the video is what stood out to me.I also never really related the greece monuments to buildings in today’s world. I guess it’s not something that is really talked about in classes or something that i would have researched if it were not for this class, but i’m glad that we have the chance to learn a little more of new things. I thought it was awesome how something from long ago can shape buildings and art in the modern day.Especially with buildings that have a big importance in the world, such as the White House. What i think also makes these buildings spectacular is the small details that surrounds the buildings.

    4. Hi Monique,

      I understand that it can be hard to view certain things as art because we have certain ideas of what art is, but I believe that we should be more open to the idea that art is very inclusive. In a way, science can be art. Science, like art, causes us to question things about our world and helps us learn more about it. Science, like art, is always evolving and people in both fields are informed by the past of their world (as seen in comparison between the Pantheon and the U.S. Supreme Court) that you cited and are adding to what is already in the world. I love finding similarities between the old and the new, like the one that you did. I find that these similarities prove that what is old can be new.

  8. Samuel De La Cruz

    I found both the videos to be very interesting because it shows how much modern culture mirrors both of the Greek and Roman cultures. I found it very intriguing how the Getty Villa was modeled after the Acropolis and it is greatly influenced by both of those cultures. The Getty Villa is a recreation of an ancient Roman country house that is full of gardens, fountains, and art throughout the Villa. I never really looked at architecture like art before until I saw both of the videos. Architecture is just like art because the architect creates the design using elements from his culture and artistically tries to make the place beautiful while being functional at the same time. Greek and Roman culture can also be found in Washington D.C. in the capital buildings like the Lincoln Memorial and the US Supreme Court. The art shown in both of the videos was amazing and the detail in the sculptures after lasting for a couple thousand years is astonishing. The influence both of the Greek and Roman culture has made on Western cultures has carried on throughout history up until our present time, and it will carry on onto the future. I also found it interesting that the video mentioned how art and science both push the boundaries of asking questions. Art and science has the power to start new changes and make discoveries in which these areas would not be explored if it wasn’t for them proposing the questions. This drives new discoveries in science that can be beneficial to society or art pushes the boundaries people are afraid to discuss in order to help society.

    1. Maritess Inieto

      Hi Samuel! I agree with you and how older cultures are still able to make great influences in today’s culture. These buildings that were made so so so long ago were able to catch the eyes of architectures and were able to be recreated into more buildings. When i was first learning about ancient Rome and Greece in school, I quickly noticed how columns were used in architecture of MANY buildings.I too never really looked at architecture as art. I had always separated the two. After the realization that architecture is a form of art, I saw architecture as one of the most grand forms of art. For example, if you look at the freeways we have today, there are bridges, tunnels, roads crossing and on different levels… That’s al art that we are driving all over. The amazing detail captivated my attention. I wonder how long it took for people back in those times to create such beautiful and incredible details. And how was the Ara Pacis created? I wonder this because it is so tall and yet the detailing of it goes so high. In my discussion post, I also talked about how art and science have the power to start new changes and make discoveries. It is a quite remarkable thing. Everyone has their contributions to society and it is nice to see how scientists and artists relate in their contributions.

    2. Hi Samuel! I definitely agree with your point on Ancient Greek and Roman influence in the United States. Not only did the Ancient Greeks and Romans influence us architecturally, they also influenced us governmentally. The design and structure of the US government is greatly influenced by the democracy of Ancient Greece. While the democracy of Ancient Greece did fall, the founders (of the US) were able to use it as a model for inspiration and also an example of the possible dangers of a democracy. By looking back at what happened to the Greek democracy, the founders knew what to avoid when creating their own—they learned from the mistakes made in history, something government officials today should continue to do.

    3. Hey Samuel, I also thought it was intriguing that we’ve modeled a lot of our culture off of the Greeks and Romans, especially the architecture when it comes to e.g. Washington DC. I also like your point about architecture being similar to art because the designer tries to make things look both nice and functional. I’d personally go a step further and say that architecture IS a form of art, since the designer gets to express themselves in the way the building is made.

      — Nick Lemmerman

  9. Samuel De La Cruz

    Hi Hannah, I find what you mentioned interesting about how early Greek statues reminded you of Babylonian statues but without the beard, and you found the Kouros statue to be influenced by Egyptian art. I also agree that it would be nice to be able to delve into the past and have more detailed and preserved art from those times. It would give a more detailed history about the influences the lost cultures had among each other in the past. I would also like to learn about from where and who the Greeks and Romans were influenced when it came to their art.

  10. Maritess Inieto

    I like the relation that scientists and artists are the same in the sense that in society, they are the ones always asking the questions. Whether you’re an engineer trying to build something to better society, a biologist trying to have a better understanding of life, or an artist trying to create something new, you are constantly asking yourself and the world, what else is there to know? Science indeed builds as a ladder. Being a biology major, everything I learn is something that has stepped up from what I have previously learned. Art really is a representation of a culture at its time. It’s crazy how in detail people were able to replicate the human body back in the day. Abstract and expressive versus realistic are two such different forms of art. The Akropolis and the Parthenon were such classical looking buildings. The influence of architecture back in the day influencing today’s architecture really shows how history plays a role in the present. The headless angel was a quite haunting sculpture. Ancient Greece had some vivid sculptures of the human body.
    The Ara Pacis Augustae looks so beautiful. The peace alter was creative in the sense that it was made for the people yet still for Augustus. It blows my mind how the Ara Pacis was able to last over TWO THOUSAND years! I thought it was fascinating how the Column of Trajan had a spiral staircase to lead to the top. The incredible detail of the column is so thorough and elaborate. It’s lovely. I love how typography has changed so much from way back when to today, where it now has such a wide variety. It is amazing how a font created so long ago is still being used today and how the influences has spread between so many people in different places around the world at different times of history.

    1. Hey Maritess,
      I really enjoyed reading your post. I also liked how the professor connected scientists and artists. I thought it was great how he brings up how artists are important and how people have assumptions of them but they bring up good questions. I like how you brought up how being a biology major, everything you learn is something that has stepped up from what you have previously learned so it proves what the professor mentioned. i believe history does play a big role in the present especially in architect today because so many people fall in love with the designs from before. I enjoy learn about art history because I believe it is so much more detailed and it has a completely different meaning.

      Natalie santana

  11. Amy Song

    I think ancient Greek and Roman art is very well known. So it was not a surprise to me to see many examples of ancient Greek and Roman art influences in modern art. I thought it was interesting to see how Greek and Roman typography influenced fonts and how it came back full circle when the fonts that were influenced by Roman typography was used on the wall of an exhibit about ancient Roman art. I agree on Professor Zucman’s point about how science and art are similar in many ways. Science is figuring out how the world around us works while art is capturing the world around us. Science and art both raise many important questions. I also agree that science and art are different in the way each is built up. Science concepts build on each other linearly, you take a theory a previous scientist came up with and you can build on that theory with things you know. This reminds me of a quote I have heard of from Isaac Newton; “If I have seen further, it is by standing upon shoulders of giants”. The giants he mentioned are other scientists that have made advancements in science. A lot of people think science and art different, but I think they are actually very similar.

    1. I like how you how you said “science is figuring out how the world around us works while art is capturing the world around us”. I agree with that statement. Science can manifest itself in so many different ways and art happens to be one of them. I think it’s fascinating how art can portray and represent science since without science there can’t be any art. The connection between the two may not be obvious but there is no denying science is the underlying foundation of art.

    2. Hi Amy! I agree that it was interesting to see Greek and Roman typography influenced fonts make a full circle. Even in our world today full of innovation and creation, we are still using ideas from the past which I think is awesome. It is similar to how you said that concepts build upon each other. Your statement about how “Science is figuring out how the world around us works while art is capturing the world around us” is so neat! When it comes down to it, this is how science and art is portrayed to society.

  12. Darryl Nguyen

    I have always been fascinated by architecture. I love how different cities give different shapes and impressions. Architecture has progressed much like the arts and sciences. Has it changed for the better or worse? Arbitrary. It’s ultimately up to the person’s opinion and personal taste. It’s so fascinating though how we think about the older days and how people lived through different types of buildings and environment. What’s more interesting is how we basically borrow the ideas from our ancestors and make it our own. Our cities today wouldn’t look as they do without the architecture from the past. Who knows how the world would look if the greeks didn’t provide this foundation for us to create what we have created today. Everything seems to be connected whether people see it or not. Everything ties back to something. Seeing the art today is like living proof that history did happen.

    1. Yonathan Sahle

      Your last statement really true. Everything that exists today especially seen in all art forms are created thanks to the previously created versions. Everything in art is related to something a previous artist made from another previous artist and so forth. It all is built on top of each other, lets take music for example. Older music is constantly being replicated into this new era of music, if you type in some of the names of the songs on these present day artists albums some older artists may come up. That is one art form but I think it is interesting that you mentioned architecture. Architecture is definitely something that is repeated but i must say some of the new architecture is being innovated and can get pretty creative. I agree everything is connected whether people see it or not.

  13. After watching another History Timeline of both classical Greece and Rome, I never would have never guessed that many of our architectural buildings were influenced from many decades ago. I was shocked when Professor Zucman mentioned the Acropolis located in Athens, Greece had a similar resemblance of the the Getty museum in Los Angles. And to support his statement, there was another comparison was the Pathenon which is also located in Athena, Greece with the Supreme Court. It is interesting to see even modern built architects still maintain their influenced of classical art with a touch of modern inventions. I also found interesting how art and science are actually very much alike, unlike many other occupations whom often seem to find a solution, artists and scientists get the opportunities to ask questions. Questions can be built through the form of an art piece or a hypothesis, given the opportunity to ask questions about society.

      1. Hey Yuli I agree with your statements. This video definitely had me thinking about other possible influences in modern culture. And to add on to your statements about scientists and artists being similar, a famous scientist we can refer to is Leonardo di Vinci. His works were filled with questions and countless theories that many people still refer to and cross examine.

    1. Yuliana,
      I also found it surprising that so many prominent buildings use Classical architecture, even numerous buildings in Los Angeles. But, as I spent more time wondering why this was, the answer came to me. The United States has been so heavily influenced by Ancient Greek and Roman aspects since its creation in 1776. Art, culture, architecture, and politics were all initially based off of their foundational values. Classical architecture is also objectively beautiful. The tall ceilings, large pillars, and well-designed roof sculptures are a wise choice for any architect looking for a reliable way to design buildings. The Supreme Court building is especially grand in its design, and the use of Greek and Roman styles gives government buildings immediate old-world authenticity. I believe that Classical architecture will always be a dominant style of high-value buildings due to its perceived status as being cultured and beautiful.

  14. Araceli Lozano

    I found it very intriguing how in the Classical Greece video Proff. Glen mentioned the comparisons of modern day architectural structures to structures from back in the day. I never really noticed the similarities until he pointed them out. It is definitely true that history repeats itself, whether by actions, or by beautiful structures. It intrigued me and I decided to research a bit more about how Greece structures has shaped the way modern structures have been built and I came across a couple examples. The White House in Washington D.C has a resembles to the Acropolis in Athens. The way the columns are lined vertically and the roof is flat gives it a resemblance to the Acropolis. Also the Chamber of Commerce in Dougherty County, Georgia has a strong resemblance to the temple of Poseidon in Paestum, Italy. I think it’s pretty cool that the modern day architects are inspired by Greek architecture. Another thing I wanted to note was that I was intrigued on how they got the Ara Pacis inside the museum. It must have taken great amount of delicacy and also man power to get it there.

    1. Hi Araceli,
      I totally agree with you when you say history repeats itself. The beautiful structures in Classic Greece and Classic Rome times are very similar to today’s which as you said are intriguing. I did find the Ara Pacis fascinating as well because of the beauty but also as you stated because of the man power it took to get it inside the museum. I’m glad you did research and were able to connect the things we learned about to what we see in today’s world.

      Aleah Lomeli

  15. This video was a pretty interesting one to watch. I liked the topic discussed about the differences of science and art. There is a very big distinction between the two, some will say they are similar. I would agree that there might be some similarities and you could say some of science is art like, but I must say they are way more different than they are the same. Science is a more definitive subject whereas art is free thinking all accepting type of subject. Science is more research based, more concrete and has a foundation that is not really debatable, whereas Art is the exact opposite of that because there are many pieces of art made by pure emotion and some are made strategically to make people think and debate amongst each other. Another point made that I thought was interesting was that art is not at a stage of improving growth, rather it is in a stage of more exposure because of social media. On the contrary, Science is on a very high level of improvement having an almost daily rate of growth. There is a lot of great growth in Engineering and the Medical Field that is being shared and there is also a lot growth and inventions that are not exposed. I thought it was interesting to hear when our professor analyzed the art by Kritos and Kouros and said that the progression between their art was to something that was of realistic content as well.

  16. Brian Sath

    I found the Greece time period to be very intriguing. The video discussed the correlation between artists and scientists. I do agree that there are similarities, however, there are also many discrepancies. I feel like both artists and scientists are always asking questions, however, that is the best way to approach things in life. I do agree that science builds like a ladder as we use the past to drive our future products and inventions. It’s always about perfecting something that is already established. Scientists are always trying to improve something that may affect many lives. I do agree that art does not build like a ladder. The past may influence the future, however, artwork doesn’t always have to be resonating with the current time period. It does not have to be real all the time; it has the potential to be abstract and primitive. Art can start anywhere, anytime, and with any type of media. It was interesting how powerful the artwork from the Greek time period has had on our current time period. Great examples that were highlighted were between the Akropolis and the Getty Campus as well as the Pathernon and US Supreme Court. These are various art forms that still exist to represent a time period that was past 2000 years ago. The Rome video highlighted the emperors. I have not really had experience with the Roman time period. It was never stressed upon my classmates and I, however, I felt that the video was informative. I never thought that the Romans had so much influence on everyday things. The font of Trajan was so shocking for me. I never expected the Romans to have such a major impact. An example of this would be the Augustus Caesar statue in Las Vegas and Atlantic City and in Rome.

    1. Hello Brian,

      I do agree with your idea that artwork does not have to resonate with the time period that it is in. Nowadays, you see art that resembles ideas from many various time periods. I feel that when artists try to recreate classical pieces, it is because that classical art is so influential on today’s society and they almost want to go back to the basics of art. I also see that it is very interesting to observe the influences of classical art on today’s environment. It’s amazing to see a beautiful structure like the Getty Campus perched on a hill like that today, but imagine what it was like to see it back in the time period of the Akropolis! After finding out that the font Trajan is commonly used on posters and other works, I think I’ll start using it when I create things too.

      –Andy Bui

  17. I never thought about how everything in our lives defines us–whether positively or negatively, we react to everything, which means that thing defines us to an extent. (After staring out of a window and pondering my entire life because of this realization, I continued on with the video). I’ve also never thought about how the aforementioned “defining” is evident in art. Like Glenn said, we react to the Classical Era of art by complimenting or avoiding it. I had learned about it before, but when the Parthenon and Supreme Court came up, I understood more how much we take from history. We modeled a building in which democracy takes place AFTER another building in which democracy was a big deal. I never knew about the Acropolis and the Getty Campus; though not exactly the same, the Getty has a similar design and layout.

    — Nick Lemmerman

  18. Amanda Martinez

    I feel like art is a good representation of the culture of the time like mention in the Greece video. I also agree that the classical does influence the contemporary and I think this goes for both the Roman and Greek style of art. I personal could not see much of a difference between the two but I can see how city’s today are influenced by classical art. In the video the U.S. Supreme court was an example of a present day building looked similarly to buildings in ancient Greece. I think it is also important to point out that almost all of the buildings in the national mall in Washington D.C. have that style and it’s very beautiful. I think it is kind of funny how in ancient Rome people would build their own monuments. It makes it seem like those people where a bit conceited. However, after thinking about it they did not have the same publicity as we do today where you could find out about something that happened the same day. So I was thinking maybe this was their form of publicity to get people to continue liking their leader and see the good things that they are doing for them.

    1. Lukas Fuentes

      Hi Amanda,
      I agree with you that this classical architecture and art style is very beautiful. I never really thought about the fact that our culture is still very much defined by the classical era, whether we are following it or avoiding it. It makes me wonder if contemporary society will ever have its own unique style that wasn’t influenced at all by classics or any other era. Perhaps this is impossible. I also wonder if the Greeks and Romans were copying this style from some other even older culture whose history has been long forgotten. I’m guessing they did, or maybe it is known that they were and I personally am just unaware of it. I also thought that Roman emperors building monuments of themselves was a bit narcissistic, but I think you bring up a really interesting point about there not being a quick way to spread information in the past. Additionally, I suppose this is their way of keeping track of their cultures history. Every extremely significant event to the Romans’ has a monument dedicated to it.

  19. For this weeks art talk discussion we learned about the differences between Classic Greece and Classic Rome art. What really stood out to me was how both forms Greece and Rome influence our contemporary world in many different ways. Classic Greece for example, influenced the architecture of the U.S Supreme court. Fonts such as Trajan from Classic Rome influenced Fonts on many movie posters. I found that such posters included many of my favorites including, The Road, The Help, Nightmare on Elm Street, Final Destination and Titanic. But overall, what I loved the most was the idea Greece is the heart of Western Culture. Mostly, I’ve always wanted to travel and meet beautiful places like Greece but I am simply too afraid to do travel on my own Its ultimately an almost satisfying feeling how I am exposed to Greece in its form in the U.S. It doesn’t only have to be in architecture like the Supreme Court but also fun and outgoing places like Las Vegas and Cesar Palace. Ultimately as discussed in the video, everything and all forms of art are connected piece after piece influencing one another.

    1. John Savage

      Hi Selena

      I also found that the classical art has influenced our culture and art is very profound. I also found that the point that everything is connected in some way to be very interesting. When I started to think about these forms of art I could start to see the connection between the art in more recent years to the art from thousands of years ago. Like shown in the video with the Trajan font everyone is influenced by every form of art that has been created before it and that is truly amazing.

  20. Lukas Fuentes

    I think Glenn’s point about scientists and artists being alike because they have to ask questions, whereas most other people in our culture have to answer questions, is a very interesting one. Even as a scientist, and an aspiring scientific investigator, this has never occurred to me. I always thought that scientific researchers were unique in the sense that they had to come up with new questions, and I’ve always thought that science and art were polar opposites. I realize now that although they are very different in some respects that at least have this one fundamental thing in common. I also like Glenn’s point about how we tend to look at things as progressing and improving. The two statues, Kritos Boy and Kouros Youth, may seem to be progressing in a realistic depiction of the human form, but if these were made in the opposite order one might think something totally different. I think this idea holds true for a lot of things. We have a mindset that everything is improving and becoming better, but what if in reality it isn’t? What if things are just changing, not necessarily for the better or worse but are simply becoming different?

    1. Daniel Schmitz

      Hey Lucas,

      I too thought Glenn’s point about scientists and artists being alike was thought provoking. He said the job of both artists and scientists is to ask questions, as opposed to other professions that answer questions. It’s an interesting idea to ponder, and i do agree with him to a certain extent, but it quite the generalization. As soon as a scientists asks a question, their next step is to solve it. This is true for an artist also though, because as soon as an artist comes up with an idea or question, they then move onto portraying it through an art piece.

      And you got really deep in those last few sentences. That’s also an interesting thought to ponder. Maybe you’re right and things change just for the sake of changing. But I think that when change happens (most of the time) it’s usually at least with the thought of making something better.

    2. Hi Lukas,
      I believe that the science to art comparison was also very interesting. I also never thought about this relationship. You would think that scientists would constantly come up with new theories but these theories are based off of previous understandings and works. This is similar to the classical art work. Instead of completely modernizing new buildings, architects usually use old ideas and classics as the framework and then adjust their ideas moderately. Also your last idea really got me thinking, I used to believe change was always good and we are constantly improving, but I don’t know what to think anymore.

      Kaya Quarles

  21. Aleah Lomeli

    Classic Greece and Classic Rome Art are very interesting topics because of the beauty that they present. When these topics were first brought up, I instantly thought of Caesar Palace in Las Vegas and the buildings. They all have similar architecture which I find beautiful. The imprinted sculptures are fascinating. Also, in the video about Greece, it was mentioned how artists and scientists were very similar because of the questions that they have to ask. I find it important to ask questions in order to solve problems. Additionally, I never noticed that the Trajan Font from Classic Rome appeared almost everywhere. It’s also interesting to know that it goes way back. Everything that was created back in Classic Greece and Rome, appears to be somewhat connected to today’s architecture. Buildings look very similar today as they did back in ancient times. So I guess you can say “History does repeat itself somewhat.”

  22. Andy Bui

    I thought these two videos were interesting because it talked about the relationship between classical art, a form from the past, and science, something that is very pertinent in the present. It was also interesting how Professor Zuccman related something classic like art, to an experience that many people face today. It was explained in the video that art, like relationships, have a long lasting influence on how you are in the present. Forms of art in the past such as Parthenon, had a impression on the U.S. Supreme Court building. This makes sense because we often look to the past to help determine what we should do in the future. One cool thing about art in contrast to science, is that art is made to represent what is occurring in the time period it was created. There is no intention to figure something out, or be innovative, purely to create that represents your environment. Science on the other hand is often done to create and discover things for the future. One idea that I saw in the video that classical art will always be preserved, either in its original form, or recreated in today’s society. One example was creating a building to protect the structure from acid rain. The other was to recreate Trajan, a font used by Romans. Classical art will always have a influence on the present, no matter how subtle the affect may seem.

  23. Tommy Duong
    As a Graphic Designer hobbyist, I have always wondered what font was being used in most of the designs, at first I assumed it was Times New Roman however it is not exactly the same. Now I know that the font is called Trajan, I want to say that it is aesthetically pleasing to look at. It’s its clarity is amazing, and the sculptures that had to make it were really skilled. To be able to free hand each letter to perfection is ‘wow’. To today, Trajan is a font that seems to live eternally through the thousands of years. From now to the end, I believe Trajan will still be used in our society due to its design.

    1. Hi Tommy,
      I honestly never wondered if they used another font other than Times New Roman. After watching this video on regards of Trajan font I am now more curious to find out what other fonts are used to create designs. For most of papers growing up I always used Times New Roman so I didn’t really used other fonts other than that so that can explain why I also thought too that everything written must be Times New Roman. I agree with you too on how perfect precise the writing is, it must of have taken forever for the sculptures to complete. I also found it really neat that Trajan font is the font for the movie Titanic! Next time I watch that movie I will for sure give that fact to who ever is watching it with me!

    2. Hi Tommy! I am going into graphic design and honestly never really paid such attention to fonts until I took my typography class. My professor actually discussed this font and showed all the things that it was used for- such as many movie posters. I think that it is a great font that has lasted many years and more to come. Another font that has the same effect, but more equal to our times is Helvetica. Once you see it out in about, I promise you won’t stop seeing it everywhere! We also watched the movie Helvetica which describes its processed of being created and was interesting to a certain extent- and the process was as detailed oriented (as with creating any typeface) and showed skill in simplicity.

  24. These video discussions were interesting and eye opening. i would have never guessed that so many modern architectures were based off of or had a huge influence from Rome and Greece. The idea that stood out to me the most was when Professor Zucman spoke about points of views on regression and progression. It stood out to me because many artists have different views on the same subjects and thanks to these different views we have various art styles. Also thanks to these different views we have various discussions about art just like we do in our classroom. Points of views and subjectivity will always have us wondering whether the glass is half full or half empty.

    1. Hi Marlene!
      I have to agree with you on the part of regression and progression. It’s easy to say that because of the time in which different pieces where made, one might be more “primitive,” than the other, but the truth is that each artistic style from different times stands on its own as its own unique creation. What may be more pleasant, or realistic, or modern has a lot to do with the person who is viewing the art as opposed to a one size fits all way of thinking in which only one location or era’s artwork can be deemed inspiring or breakthrough.

  25. I found classical influence really interesting, especially seeing the comparison between the architecture in classical Greece compared to some well known buildings found in the United States. Not 100% sure if the acropolis was in the movie Hercules but I do recall learning about it. Anyways seeing the comparison between Acropolis and the Getty Museum I can see that their is a resemblance of architecture in both of them. I personally have never been to the Getty but have heard that it is a very wonderful place to go. As for the Parthenon I can also see the resemblance between it with the Supreme court because of its giant pillars around it. I also think many people to this day still get classical influence when building homes, buildings etc. Down the street from where I live a house was being remodeled. The owners of the house added pillars to their porch. Pillars come from greek temples as well as some of their monuments such as the Temple of Zeus. I believe classical influence to this day still remains in the thoughts of architectures when designing buildings.

    1. Hi Roxana! I agree with your comment on how much influence classical architecture has on architectural designs of today; especially in the case of the Getty Museum and the Supreme Court. It is easy to see the similarities between the structures. With pillars, I always associate them with the Temple of Zeus. I think having such influence is a good thing, considering classical architecture is beautifully designed. I have no idea how they managed to create it in their time, considering how now with technology it is easier to build such structures.

  26. This video was very interesting to me. Art does not grow and progress like the way science has but it has came a long way. Reexplaining the example in this video, the iPhone 7 is “better” than the iPhone 6 while the iPhone 6 is “better” than the iPhone 5. I think that classical art that was created over 2000 years ago plays a huge role in our modern society. In the art world, there isn’t a way to judge whether an art piece is better than the one before it. It depends on the objective of the art. Some may say that a certain time period has better art because it’s has more realistic features but what about the people who think abstract art is the more progressed art?

    1. I agree with Megan. I feel that a lot of our modern advances are influenced by the need of improvement to live a better lifestyle. Something then could’ve been one of the most innovative invention, where as today, it may be the first prototype of its kind. Evolution does not happen in drastic measures, it slowly improves over years. I also agree with your art example, a lot of the art today is influenced by someone else’s art and opinions vary by person.

    2. Hi Megan
      I agree with Megan on how we can not say which time period has a better art style but in science we can say that the latest model of something is better than the one before it. There are some art pieces that look great and are from an older time period but there are also other art pieces that I like that are in our time period.

  27. John Savage

    The videos really showed how much art is involved in history and how we take after our past. The best part of the videos to me was when the font Trajan was being talked about. The way it showed how the font influenced this person who influenced this person who ended up doing the font for the museum. It just blew my mind how that worked out. It also made me think about how much other works of art are influenced by the art that came before it and how even if art is trying to not be like the past it is still being influenced in that way. These were great videos that show you how art is connected throughout history.

  28. Professor Zucman goes over quite a bit about the relationships between art and the sciences. A lot of the stories, told time and time again, are ways in which people are able to educate others. They may not be concrete proof through equations or chemical means, but stories do give people a better understanding and a better sense of the world. Now, I agree that history is a major factor that influences the modern world. We have used lessons from the past and improved our society to become more advanced. Our art has improved, our medical needs improved, and the way we communicate today is all thanks to the improvement and influence of the past.

    1. Hi Cindy,
      I definitely agree with your assertions on how art made connections with art and science. I would have never thought that the two subjects would ever share a relationship. However, watching this video definitely gave me more input and insight on how the two subjects do relate to one another. Thank you for sharing.
      -Andrew Nguyen

  29. I found it interesting how classical art can influence modern artwork and architecture thousands of years after it originally came up. Popular locations such as the Getty, or the U.S. Supreme Court heavily draw inspiration from the architectural styles of classical Greece. I also liked the part in which it was mentioned that art and science both ask questions, and can be controversial in bringing certain topics out. I agree with this because even though we may not want to acknowledge a situation, or would be better off pretending an unpleasant situation didn’t exist, in the end the only way to actually come up with a solution, would be to expose the problem no matter how unpleasant it may be to the public. In regards to the video on classical Rome, I found it interesting how the movie posters used a font inspired by a Roman font from so long ago, and despite this being a more technologically advanced media, as is video, in comparison to the technology of back then, something such as writing can be used to link the two eras.

    1. Hi Jasmine, I also thought it was interesting how the video compared science and art. Back to our first assignment with our classmate conversation, I remember stating that science was different than art because it could be proven, whereas art is not proven, and is a depiction of someone’s own perspective on a certain person, place or thing, or idea.
      I really admire how Glenn mentions the similarities in architecture over the decades and countries. The video mentions a few examples, such as Parthenon vs U.S. Supreme Court, Getty vs the architecture in Rome. The one that stood out to me the most was the Getty in Westwood and roman building because I remember visiting there. I remember looking at the structure from the tram for the very first time and I was so amazed by the architecture.

  30. In this week’s discussion I thought that Professor Zucman proposed a great question about art and progression. I love how he pointed out if it was art and where we were suppose to be in interpreting art. Inverting progression of the two statues makes you really think in a different way and think how art for us in this relevant time has progressed. I am also taking a greek mythology class as well as this art class. It is always interesting how the culture created these myths and loved seeing their interpretation of the greek gods- as in the greek’s statue of the Zues or Poseidon. People see them in the same way today due to these sculptures. It is amazing that it can last through the years and leave the same impression on people and how they view these characters. It is the same with architecture that still has a lasting influence in different cities and communities throughout the world. The greek columns are a lasting architectural element that is not only functional but esthetically pleasing to people today. How interesting would it be to think about inverting the progression of architecture and build for simplicity and minimal need?

  31. Of all the things mentioned in the video, I was really interested in the Trajan font. I think it’s really cool how it actually inspired by the roman era by Carol Twombly. I think because of its unique, and simplicity that many advertisements and posters were able to use it into their posters. I remember growing up, I played with a lot of fonts and creating random graphic design projects during high school. I really liked this font called Kristen ITC. It looked really nice to me, but the only issue with it is that. It was immediately recognized as Kristen ITC. Trajan on the other hand, was so simple that many posters decided to use it into their advertisement, and it wasn’t really noticeable. That’s why I think it’s really cool. Because I think the font Kristen ITC has become outdated for me. But the font from Rome was really popular back then and still really popular in the 21st century. I think it takes a lot of simplicity and make it look nice for it to keep in trending. Also excessive use of the font was really over the top. But as mentioned in the video, the Trajan font was used all over the bottom of the statue and it still looked really nice.

    1. Hey Monica,
      I totally agree with you, I found it amusing how before this video I never noticed that most, or I should say a lot of movie titles have the same font which is the Trajan font. The Trajan font is very simple but nice, it is used in many movie titles because it goes with anything. The type of font is very simple and straight forward. It is just crazy to think how this font actually goes way back in history and it is still very popularly used today.

  32. In our modern day world, the creations from Classical Greece and Classical Rome will never go away. I don’t think that they will go away because I feel that many of the architecture in our world today began with a foundation based on Greece and Rome. They have had too much impact on our architecture and people will still continue to be inspired by them. The relationship between science and art seems far off, but I think that they can be closely related. Sometimes you may use one for the other such as physics while constructing a sculpture or designing a model for scientific purposes. Scientists and artists ask questions while the rest of us must answer them to get closer to new discoveries for our society. One of the biggest differences between the two though is that science is very definitive and conventional while art is about freedom of expression. It is possible to do things wrong in science, but I think it is a harder argument for something to be “wrong” in art. Also, I think it it absolutely cool how far the Trajan font has come! I see it virtually almost everywhere and I never thought about its proper name or where it originated from. I think the use of the Trajan font will continue to be widespread for a very long time.

    1. I agree with you about how science and art seems so far off. Primarily I would not associate art with science and vice versa because art seems so abstract and complex while science is more direct and straight forward. However when professor Zucman mentioned that artists are more like the ones that develop questions and create curiosity and scientists find a way to answer them, it made the whole thing relatable. In addition to this I would also think that science would pave a different direction for art. For example, media art or video game art. Also art could also pave way to science by developing creative ways on how to solve a problem. I took a critical thinking class that actually combines science with art and my proctor in that class emphasized that creativity and science can benefit certain majors like engineering and architecture, which relates to these videos.

  33. Christian Gallo
    The classical Greece and classical Rome videos are very interesting especially the part about how the art and architect from those times influenced many of the building today. Like the Getty campus and the US Supreme court. There are still many other places and building that are modeled by Greece and Roman and many others. When people build houses they sometimes want it modeled after certain time periods.

  34. This week for our art discussion we once again took a look at the art timeline in which we discussed Classical Greece and Classical Rome. I found it intriguing because usually when you think of Greece that is exactly what one thinks of, the statues of the gods and goddesses. It was interesting how our professor compared the two pieces of art within a one-hundred year period and how much they actually changed. The statues changed accordingly with the views of society. Also, I found the Classical Roman video interesting because before watching the video i never noticed how similar our government building or building related to our nation have in common with those building of Rome. They have very similar structure and details; they are kind of a mimic of those old buildings. Something i ;earned today and found amusing was the font trajan, before this video I never paid any attention to the font on movies and after seeing so many examples of titles with the same font i found it crazy that I never noticed. I thought that was a cool fun fact to learn.

    1. Marcelo Ceballos Jr – 1 PM

      Hey Marysol! I like your point that the statues changed to keep up with the views of the society. The same is true today with the types of ads and movies we see today compared to 70 years ago. I think the change in peoples views then were a lot slower than they are today. Mainly because of how quickly things work and spread theses days. I also never noticed the fonts on movies all being the same. I think I’ll be looking out for it from now on.

    2. Melissa Rios

      Hey Marisol,
      How funny, I thought I was the only one who thought about statues of gods and goddesses when Greece is broughten up. Anyways, I thought that the art form Greece and Rome was equally as fascinating. However, I did find it extremely interesting how Rome’s government and our government are similar in many ways. From the structure of the buildings to the front of writing. It’s crazy how buildings, governments, and art from more than 100 years ago has influenced the world we live in today.

  35. The human sculptures of Ancient Greece reminded me of my field trip to the Asian Art Museum of San Francisco during middle school. There was an introductory portion of the tour in which our guide gave us a short art lesson concerning paintings of the human figure. Her question was somewhat similar to “why are so many ancient, classical paintings of people done so without adding any clothes?” No one in our group had the correct answer, until someone finally answered that nudity was used to make the art piece timeless. The use of nudity in painting and sculpture has helped mold the perception of Ancient Greek artwork as classical and timeless, not confined to a single society’s culture like those from the Renaissance. Without clothes from a specific era, the human sculpture represents humanity as a whole and praises our natural figure. It should also be noted that artwork from Ancient Greece reflected a different attitude towards nudity. The Greeks were proud of their bodies, and didn’t view the human body as something that should be covered up. Our modern attitude towards nudity still exists because of Christianity-inspired cultural biases, which states that our natural form is inherently sinful. Ancient Greek art forms were usually celebratory, embracing the bodies and actions of humans in a positive manner.

  36. watching the Greece video I notice that modern building are designed in a similar way. This cant be by mistake, i think we are using older design as a way to represent it as a modern art form with a light outline as the old Greece buildings. Using the outline of Greece building is cool because it shows how we as humans see and respect art and try to replicate it in our own way. On the other note I like how he mention we connect to one in other and grown so closely but once the bond is broken everything you shared an interest in is now a dislike. I’ve been in this position where we had like the same music but after the friendship was over i dislikes that type of music.

    1. Hi Vincent,
      I definitely agree with your assertions! I too also thought the video brought a lot of light on how similar the architecture of our government buildings were influenced and inspired by Roman and Greece backgrounds. I really grew an interest for art when I saw the relationship and bridge between science and art. Thank you for sharing, Vincent.
      -Andrew Nguyen

  37. Andrew Nguyen-
    In this weeks discussion we are looking at the different arts, which are Greece and Rome. I believe these two places are where classical art was most heavily influences and definitely laid the foundation for many other centuries. We can definitely see their influences all around the United States. Construction of buildings, typography, and fonts are all heavily influenced from Roman and Greece backgrounds. In the video I like how they clashed together two subjects such as science and art, which gave me a lot of insight and new perspectives when looking at art. The two subjects are not traditionally thought as within the same side of the spectrum but through watching this video art definitely clashed with science aspects. In addition, I liked how there were a lot of modern architecture that was explained and how it was influenced by Greece and Roman backgrounds. I can now definitely see the similarities of our government buildings to Roman and Greece architecture.
    -Andrew Nguyen

  38. Marcelo Ceballos Jr. – 1 PM

    It is really interesting to think about how little and how much has actually changed over the years in human civilization. The Ancient Greek artwork still influences so much of modern society, even though we have come so far with technology. The long duration of its influence is a true testament to how good and beautiful the designs and artwork art. I think this is due to the powerful impact and impression they make on people. These days things are practically obsolete a week after they come out but the beautiful structures and art of Ancient Greece are timeless. I also thought that it was really interesting that so many movies use the same exact font. I had no idea this was happening because I never really put much thought into fonts but it really shows how little the designers do not care or how good the font is. Either way, I think that there should still be some variation in movie titles. It would really bring life to movie covers and possibly make the overall look of the covers more interesting and appealing to people. This increase in appeal could lead to more sales of physical movie copies which would be a win win situation for movie makers and movie goers.

    1. I like that you brought up the influence of Trajan font. I too was surprised that so many movie titles used this font. Imagine creating a font that would be used thousands of years after you pass. I think something like that is truly legendary even though it is such a simple and unnoticeable achievement. I find it funny that you also brought up our advancement in technology. We’ve built so much since the time of the greeks and romans but are we really creating as many impactful and new accomplishments within the art community that they have? We still use the same designs as their buildings, the same fonts, the same statues. Will anything from our time still be used in the next 3000 years? Thats a thought that was provoked in me through this video.

  39. Juan Vasquez
    In my life I have definitely seen examples of Greek and Roman architecture being used to this day such as national buildings or monuments. Their structural designs are still used and their type of font has survived to our time. It is impossible to think of marble or sculptures without thinking of Greek and Roman artwork. I believe that both art and science are amazing subjects that should go together to create work. In the past most influential figures such as Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci focused on both fields of studies and reflected it among their work. There may indeed be a split between the two depending on the goal of increasing technology or abstractness in work but they are both important. The Greeks and Romans have left several marks throughout history and still affects our world today as do many civilizations that existed in the past.

  40. In the Classical Greece video I liked how Professor Zucman touched on the topic of art and science being related. Like he said, we need artists and scientists to ask questions. He also mentioned how people can see the progression from sculptures like the Kouros and the Kritos boy sculptures which are around 100 years apart. This progression can be seen both ways, either going from the Kouros sculpture to the Kritos boy and vice versa. You can interpret it both ways, from being more realistic and representational or more abstract. I also liked how in the video the professor compares buildings today to those from classical architecture. It’s interesting how much influence those structures have on today’s architectural designs.
    In the Classical Rome video, I loved the ending statement of seeing “a Roman emperor, influencing a California typographer, influencing a New York architect creating a museum for a Roman emperor.” I’m amazed to know that Carol Twombly created the Trajan font from studying the base of the Trajan column.

    1. Ana,
      I also enjoyed the comparison Professor Zucman did when he compared artists and scientists. Many people wouldn’t have thought to put those two in the same category, mostly because they do not give artists enough credit. It was very interesting to see how art evolved from Greek times to now. But as of today, we still have remnants of the olden days. Buildings such as the Akropolis and the Parthenon both have traces in today’s society and can be found in the Getty Campus and the Supreme Court buildings. Even the font Trajan, which is used in most movies, comes from the Greeks. Art is great because it can influence people throughout time.

  41. I could not believe how many movie posters utilize trajan as their font. I do not even blame the man in the video for expressing his tiredness of the font. On the other hand I was surprised that art works from ancient Greece and Rome still influence and inspire a significant amount of architecture, artwork, and media today. One of the few examples are the architecture that is applied to buildings that was built many years ago. For example, the city of Akropolis still resonates from the design of the Getty Campus and how the Parthenon is basically the base design for all courts in the United States. In addition to that, Trajan hall’s font is still applied and embossed on movie posters and even our campus’s name on the main entrance is on Trajan font.

  42. Christopher Yuen
    I really like the comparison between science and art. Glenn mentions in the video that the progression of science moves in a different form than with art where as science works in the same way a ladder works: advancing upwards through time. However, art works in a different in which there is no ladder progression. Art does not progress upwards but instead works from a main pinnacle point and is expanded outwards. Since art is so controversial and subjective, it conforms to the way society and cultural ideas thrive. I also found it interesting that so much of classical rome and greek culture is reused in modern architecture, art pieces and museums as well. It is amazing to see that cultures are still alive and flourishing through the resurrection of techniques through today’s modern artists.

    1. Hey Christopher,

      As a Biochem major, I also especially liked the science-art relation. It is really interesting that Glenn mentioned the movement of science as art progresses. I do believe both subjects go hand-in-hand as science does rely on a form of art to progress upwards and art, although can be viewed as independent, in a way relies on the progression of science to be able to further develop into what we considered today as art in forms i.e. movies. I also think it is very interesting how classical art from Ancient Greece and Rome are able to greatly influence the art we view today, from architectures, ionic buildings like Caesar’s Palace in Las Vegas, and Roman typography. It is awesome to know that the culture from back then was not lost throughout the hundreds of years.

      Tina Tran

    2. Laura Lockett

      Hey Christopher!
      I also thought that the connection between art and science was interesting. I had never thought of these two completely different things to come together as one. Sometimes you just have to take a deeper look into what is around you and think what influenced the creators to make that object. I never noticed just how much modern art derives from the past.

    3. Raylyn Diep
      Yea, I totally agree that so much of classical Rome and Greek culture is reused in many modern architecture. I never thought too much about the architecture of the U.S. Supreme Court until Glenn brought it up in the video. Art seems just like trends nowadays. It definitely is influenced by what society and the culture thinks.This also reminded me about how old trends make a comeback like the choker or even jelly sandals.

  43. I really liked how Glenn made the comparison between scientists and artist. It’s interesting how a lot of people really undermine the work of an artist, but they play one of the most critical roles in society: asking questions. By asking questions, it allows all the other roles to play their part and answer the questions asked. It’s very interesting to see how we get ideas for our society today. From movie fonts to government buildings to toga parties, most of what we have today comes from learning about Ancient Greek and Roman societies. Although we are replicating their work now, it never really is quite as good as the times. I have been to the Getty Museum for another class and I must say the Ancient Greek artwork is amazing. Although there were quite a few nude-ish sculptures, many people didn’t care and believed it was part of Greek culture to show off one’s whole body. To the Greeks, the body represented the evidence of a great warrior. For example, if there were scars on the front instead of the back, you were seen as great because you never ran away from a fight. In the same context, by having a small penis, a man was also seen as a great warrior because he spent less of his time thinking about lust and more time thinking about strategies and wars. Overall, I really liked this video because it showed how our society evolved because of what the Greeks had.

  44. Daniel Schmitz

    Cool videos. I am curious, however, to know whether or not the Getty Center was actually based or influenced by Acropolis. Maybe the architects/designers have said that or maybe it’s just speculation, I have no idea. But maybe it was just coincidence that buildings on a hill look similar?

    I wonder how many times in throughout history people have been like “Look at that piece of art, it’s influenced by this is other piece of art”, when it reality it was just coincidence that they both have similar features.

    Anyway, that was an interesting point about the Greek statues. The early statue looked more crude and less life-like, and the new one looked very realistic. But if the times of their creations were switched around, you could say the less life-like statue was better and original because it didn’t look exactly like a person, and the life-like statue was uncreative and just a bland copy of a person.

    I guess it’s just how the world works. “Old” things start to become uncool and lame, and new things are “better” and more advanced. But part of it seems to stem from the fact people get bored of the old, and want to change things up with a new. Look at waterbeds for example. They were super cool 30-40 years ago, but they got stale and people got tired of waking up with sore backs so they started to buy foam mattresses instead.

    Or the word groovy. Kids couldn’t say the word their lame parents used to say, so they had to come up with new ones. The new words like “legit” and “lit” aren’t any better than groovy, they’re just different.

  45. Tina Tran

    This week’s video focused on discussing the classical art from ancient Greece and Rome. This type of art consist of such history that a lot of people tend to just past aside without realizing its importance in art from today’s world and even how it shapes our society today. It is interesting that classical art dated back since Ancient Greece and Rome time have such a strong influence in the way our art or architecture is like today. Building like the Caesar’s Palace in Las Vegas, is ionic for resembling Julius Caesar, the Roman leader in 44 B.C. I find Roman typography the most interesting form of ancient art that was past down and continued to this generation. Not only Julius Caesar is used as an ionic character, details of Ancient Roman architectures were reincorporated in today’s art to resemble the Ancient times. Overall, the traditional and culture from hundreds of years ago could influence so much of today’s world and society that somehow the culture of the past have not been forgotten.

  46. Laura Lockett

    While watching the video about Ancient Classical Greece surprised me about just how much art has revolved around what has happened in past years. Buildings, Sculptures and Homes are all influenced by what has happened in Ancient years. What really made me think was that art and science are similar in the fact that they ask the questions instead of other people that their job is to answer the questions. I never really thought of these professions in that perspective. I know many artist are influenced by science but i never really saw a strong connection between the two. The influence that Greece and Rome had on modern art is something i will have to think about more often and really notice where our modern art derives from.

    1. Hello Laura,

      I have also noticed how much of an influence past events play on art. You mention that many forms of art such as architecture are influenced by past styles of art. One example are the government buildings in Washington D.C. They are modeled after the style of Ancient Greece to symbolize our continuation of the democracy that was born there.

    2. Hello Laura,
      I also found it interesting that many of our well known buildings here in the U.S. were influenced by the architecture from these two places. I wish we had more places like this that we can visit. It’s interesting though, that not many people are aware where the ideas came from. We must give credit where credit is due! Like you said, I’ll be keeping an eye out for more buildings inspired by their architecture.

    3. Hey, Laura,
      I agree with your analysis of how much the art has revolved around the works built today. It is very interesting the influence of what art and science has done to our works today. A lot of us usually are not aware how things get developed or the influence behind it. It’s nice to get a little insight of what the inspiration for these buildings and other artworks came from. I’d certainly enjoy learning more about the developments of projects and how much influence did these past pieces have on them.

  47. To me, this video and the art shown in it proves that what is old can once again be new. The columns used in Classical Greek and Rome architecture can be seen throughout history, inspiring so many different buildings. This “what’s old is new” trend can be seen in our architecture and in our media, as many movies, shows, and books are inspired are direct sequels/reboots of media from the past. The style of architecture has become so influential that it is one of the most used ways to draw a building. Professor Zucman made a comment about how he believes no one will create a better Greek vase of the time than the one in the video because the person who created it is was actually living in that time. Though this may be true, I do believe that someone can always create something better because art and the tools available to artists always evolve. People in the future may not make a better Classical Greek vase, but they can and likely will make better crafted art because they can learn from the contributions made my by artists of the past.

  48. Raylyn Diep
    When Glenn talked about the similarities and differences between science and art, I would have never thought they both ask many questions. In the Greek video, what caught my eye was the Nike of Samothrace. It looked so majestic and elegant. The lighting in one of the pictures really brought the whole statue to a whole other level. I would definitely want to personally see this statue for myself. In the Rome video, the Column of Trajan was amazing. All the intricate, detailed carvings are so beautiful and tells an amazing story of one man. It makes me wonder how long it took for them to finish this masterpiece. I would have never noticed the Trajan font on so many things in today’s world. Now that I think about it, I always thought that font was very original since it was everywhere. I never actually thought about where it really originated from.

  49. The idea that stood out to me the most was the fact that in order to find new discoveries, science relies upon the discoveries that were found before anything new is found. All of the information that is found within the science world is information that has been built off of the knowledge and discoveries that had paved the way for the things that are being looked at now. New discoveries that we look at with amazement today will eventually become old information that we don’t think too much about after something else is built upon it. With art on the other hand, something new is able to be created without the absolute need for something to come before it. With art, you are able to create anything that you want to without having to use information or techniques that those before you have used before. Of course, many artists do still use techniques that were created thousands of years ago, but the fact of the matter is that artists don’t necessarily need these ideas and techniques, scientists do.

  50. In these videos I learned that although art and science are two completely different things there are many different ways of comparing the two. Although physics is facts and follows theories to prove aftdr many years of physic’s objects standing people can consider them a form of art. An old building that still stands today can be considered a form of art because it is still standing til this day. There is a story behind it that could be explained through art. Although things seem to be different there are many ways that the two can still be compared.

  51. What we know of ancient Greece and Ancient Rome is fascinating. Humans have continuously been influenced by these two ancient cultures since their time. What is even more interesting than that, is that the Romans were equally as influenced by the Greeks as we are by them. The Romans dismantled countless Greek sculptures and used the ideas, and sometimes even the fragments, in their own works of art. Romans even had Greek sculptors working for them. These two cultures were by far two of the most influential cultures ever to exist. Whether it be the creation of concrete, perfection of aqueducts, or the invention of the Roman font, these cultures were the front-runners of their time, and set the pace for history thereafter. Their achievements affects each and every one of us today. There are many people throughout the world who make it their life’s work to study and learn from these ancient cultures. They are continuously stumbling upon new discoveries and interpretations that continue to affect us today. The Romans created a system of writing in which every letter took up the space of a perfect square. Their alphabet contained only upper case letters. Having the letters in this form made it easier for the sculptors to carve out, since containing the letter in a square makes for very uniform angles to chisel out. Now, Times New Roman is one of the most widely known fonts in the world. This font, like out modern art, was based off of what the Romans created.

    1. Hi Shalane
      I would have to agree with you in the fact that our generation is greatly influenced by Ancient Greece and Rome. We used ideas, art works of all forms and many architectural designs as well. Even our Fonts are greatly influenced by Ancient Greece and Romans. I think we’ll make new discoveries everyday and continue to improve our creation of our products today.

  52. This week we watched a timeline yet again, but this time it was about classic Greece and classic Rome. I found it very interesting, especially how the info in the video almost implied that greek and roman art will never go away and set some of the highest most authentic standards in art the world has ever seen. The difference between the countries is the controversy of science and art, it is probably the most interestingly arguably topics ive come across because both sceince and art sort of contradict each other, but are also compliments of each other in a way.

  53. Kaya Quarles

    In this weeks discussion videos we explored the different arts of Greece and Rome. I believe that classical art began in these places and was super intricate. This means that ancient art has influenced our architecture of today. This can be seen when comparing Acropolis and the Getty Museum. Also the large pillars around the Supreme Court really look like the Parthenon. While watching the video about Rome, I thought it was interesting that movie posters had used font inspired by the Romans. It was interesting to me to think that art and science both bring controversy, especially because I am a science major. I believe that like art, science learns from the past and will always use past experiences as the framework but will constantly be improving as well.

  54. Jacqueline Sanchez

    This week’s art talk focused on Classical Greece and Rome. One thing that professor Zucman touched on during the discussion that really stood out to me was when he compared the “Kouros Youth” and the “Kritios Boy”. I have seen and learned about these two statues before and, like professor Zucman mentioned, I’ve always just naturally seen the “Kritios Boy” as an “obvious” example of improvement in art, but I’ve never stopped to question why. Maybe it is because the “Kritios Boy” was created many years after the “Kouros Youth” and we naturally think of progress in a chronological manner, always moving forward. Or maybe it is just because I find the “Kritios Boy” to be more aesthetically pleasing. For whatever reason it may be, the fact is that I still see the “Kritios Boy” as an improvement. However, this discussion has made me realize that my viewpoint can be easily inverted and someone can argue just as strongly that the “Kouros Youth” is better. Like professor Zucman said, one can see the realism of the “Kritios Boy” as merely imitating what we see in real life. One can say it requires no creativity or innovation. Whatever side you stands on, there is no definitive answer, but that’s okay because art isn’t about finding answers; it is about questioning how you feel.

  55. Melissa Rios

    This week, we go back into the time line to learn more about the history of art, classical Rome and Greece to be exact. I found the art between Rome and Greece extremely interesting, yet different. It’s difference come from it’s lengthy time line. Another thing that caught my attention was how classical art from Rome and Greece will truly never be outdated. The art that was created throughout those times will always be a huge influence to the artist of today. Furthermore, I was fascinated how our buildings have been influenced by Greece’s structural buildings. However, when I really think about it, our country has been influenced in many ways other than it’s buildings. Art and the governement have also influenced the world we live in today and that is simply amazing.

  56. Briana Garcia 1 pm

    Before watching this video, I wouldn’t have been able to relate art and science. But it makes sense that both an artist and scientist work by forming questions, whatever they may be, and finding answers. I didn’t think art could be considered controversial but I guess that happens when there is not definite answer to a particular question. Like the cave art we saw a few weeks ago, it was interesting to see how other forms of art, more specifically architecture, has also evolved. That is one of the things that I consider to be a big part of my wanting to travel. It is what brought my attention to Europe. I have my mind set on visiting these beautiful places such as Rome because of the amazing historical buildings. I have seen pictures from family members that have been there and I must say, it is definitely art. I hope to one day experience it for myself.

  57. Joy Uba 1pm

    I find the Classical Greece video interesting especially when Glenn said that art and science are related. I have never really thought about those two subjects being related because it is like saying accounting and physical education are related. But the more I watched the video and his reasoning, I can see the relationship. But in my opinion, art and science can never be 100% the similar. With science, there’s always a right or wrong of some sort. But with art, it is just an expression and outlet of whatever the artist wants to portray. There’s no right or wrong with art and there’s certainly no wrong opinion about the matter. Anyone can react to the art differently without being judged.

  58. We’re back to learning some history. This week’s video, we analyzed the pieces of art from both Greece and Rome. Classical art originated from these places and their work was very interesting. From that, it led to architects making pieces from this. There are certain pieces that draw similarities for example, the large pillars from the Supreme Court resembles to the Parthenon. I thought it was a good idea when I noticed that some movies posters had used font that was from the Romans because it was sort of paying tribute to their works from the past. It’s interesting how both science and art develop from past experiences and little by little they get improved in order to progress the base idea that was created several years ago.

  59. Natalie Santana

    It is interesting how the professor connects art and science. He mentions how artists and scientists have the tasks to ask questions and many other fields answer questions. Now that I think about it I completely agree. He also mentions a big difference which is the fact that art doesn’t really build a ladder but its more about the moment as to science which is a lot about things from the past. I thought it was funny when he compared the progression of art and its true how we would switch our opinion. I like how he talks about artists that are still doing shows that way we can go experience the art ourselves, in person. The Column of Traijan is one my favorite piece mentioned because of the spiral staircase. The carvings on it are beautiful and so detailed. it reminded me of a place where I went to in Mexico, maybe that’s why I enjoyed it so much.

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